you get a structural deficit approaching a trillion dollars a year which is why i think even john boehner when he sits down, smart guy says i acknowledge we've got to do something on the revenue side. that's where i think grover norquist, not to make him the lightning rod is in a tight bientd because the numbers don't add up. that's where your argue really falls apart. >> i guess what i'm presenting more is the political picture that it's going to be -- not withstanding the assertion that it is 15% of gdp. where it should wind up, you can find a lot of conservatives who would say 15% of gdp is too much anyway but that's a separate argument. what i'm saying is politically it will be very, very tough on those republicans, other than the current ones who have announced they have sort of abandoned the pledge. these guys were doing it for the last couple of years anyway to. see the leadership in the republican house do it, they may wind up some challenges. the republican party in the house is used to having a coup d'etat. >> eliot: as a democrat, i would love to see the primaries from the far